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yes, I meant for googling to find the studies etc related to the "social performance" of work

yeah!

I share your disdain for terms @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk but I can't remember my sources that spawned this line of thought and remembering them would help me find the article again lol

i was just looking if you were going to say that "just like masking at work makes you not be real you and you shouldn't mask, you should be open about being a tulpamancer" or something like that

lmao

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no

1:29 AM

people need jobs to live

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while I personally wish people could be "out" in public without shame re: plurality, they would still need to do their job

social masks is something i sometimes use to explain plurality to people who don't know what it is

regardless of who's fronting etc

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yeah, that's what spawned the connection in my head--it seems like a good analogy

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the difference is that the masks are associated with the "you" in your head, and tulpamancy is all about separating out the identity into an entirely new object

very easily you could get a headmate by treating one of your social masks as a headmate and they would be immediatelly quite developed depending on how different that social mask is

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but it's not something i would recommend

definitely not

the difference is that the masks are associated with the "you" in your head, and tulpamancy is all about separating out the iden...

@blanka - jump yes

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sometimes people when they discover they have social masks for the first time after already learning about tulpamancy they consider themself median

Leiko

the difference is that the masks are associated with the "you" in your head, and tulpamancy is all about separating out the iden...

@blanka - jump yes

the more I think about tulpamancy the more just-one-tiny-step-off "completely fucking normal" it seems

not realising that it's normal

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but the more they dig into that, the more actually median they become

Leiko

very easily you could get a headmate by treating one of your social masks as a headmate and they would be immediatelly quite developed depending on how different that social mask is

leiko, how does it feel to just created a reverse psychology tulpamancy guide in one sentence

Leiko

but the more they dig into that, the more actually median they become

this is a consistent problem with fringe internet communities

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sometimes it works out for the benefit of the people in it but oftentimes people just become unwitting hosts to an egregore

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with no perceivable benefit to the person

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and oftentimes defecit

yes

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anyway it's really late and i have to work in the morning so i will go to sleep good night!

get some rest, gn

goodnight! I'm gonna keep rambling for a bit but then I really do need to let blanka play with music

1:33 AM

this is, in my opinion, a social engineering problem, in the literal sense of engineering (not in the "hacking into systems by exploiting people being nice" sense)

my stance is kind of just. if it helps to live plural go for it, if not then maybe not

I personally think that we could get a lot more benefit by treating society as an engineering problem, with constraints, atomic interactions, calculations to optimize for specific metrics, etc

yeah that has potential in my mind

optimizing to fix the fringe internet community thing would do a lot to benefit individuals, but it also very firmly entrenches the "present" social norms

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because every socially progressive movement started as a fringe internet subculture--or the analogous form for the time period

I proxied there...now we wait.

so finding out where the line of "harm" is is a very important and difficult problem. It is a fuzzy, moving target, and may be impossible to optimize for (at least, without a fundamental shift in our scientific understanding of human social dynamics)

Iota ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

I proxied there...now we wait.

o7 braver than our soldiers (edited)

1:37 AM

There's a bit more in the "social engineering" thought bubble but I think infodumping it might be out of scope for tulpa discussion (even though this did naturally evolve from a very tulpa-focused discussion) so I think I'll stop there and let blanka have her music practice

i think it's just different for everyone which makes it more complicated and there won't really.. be an end-all solution

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or maybe there is, i dunno

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anyways good luck with the music

blanka

so finding out where the line of "harm" is is a very important and difficult problem. It is a fuzzy, moving target, and may be impossible to optimize for (at least, without a fundamental shift in our scientific understanding of human social dynamics)

I agree, at least to the limits of our current understanding. And thanks for the well-wishes!

plink plonk time for piano

hope blanka enjoys her time out

it's gonna be epicsause

(we will write maybe 3 bars of stuff we will throw away tomorrow)

just like me

Blanka being so real for that

Day 2 od usinf PK in the singlet server: I feel good about it!

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Granted, we changed our pfp's to not be Genshin, which feels a little dishonest, but oh well.

I don’t think you would get genshin shamed

I think I would

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/images-in-the-minds-eye-are-quick-sketches-that-lack-simple-real-world-details1/ Interesting article on mental imagery; this even lines up with how I practice visualization with Blanka

Images in the Mind’s Eye Are Quick Sketches That Lack Simple, Real-...

Pictures conjured by the mind’s eye lack detail, despite how vividly you picture them

ooh that's a neat read

Yeah, it's fascinating--while the experience of imagining is very vivid and detailed to me, actually digging into the details when I am imagining reveals that it is really a very impressionistic space

8:26 PM

I just have a very strong idea of someone hitting the ball off a table, but it takes dedicated effort to imagine the person, how they move, the ball, etc

this article made me realize how not alone i am in how kind of frustrating it is to try and visualize, im so used to the idea of what im seeing that it takes alot of effort to truly see things w my minds eye >_< (edited)

it's definitely a skill that takes practice and effort

meanwhile my imagination: laughingtulpas

8:32 PM

i should get back to training it but its not motivating at all

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i've had a couple of flashes of actual images and thats about it

I'm trying to train my mind's eye

8:33 PM

I get quick flashes

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holding an image or moving stuff is hard

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i can barely see the headspace even when i try

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partially because my mind throws a bunch of shit at me when i'm trying to focus on that

reject headspace, embrace meatspace

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no need to focus to keep it there, has actual food you can eat

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supports multiplayer with other human beings

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

reject headspace, embrace meatspace

i've been stuck in meatspace for 20 years, i need a break

8:36 PM

matchmaking sucks, it takes too long and everyone is an asshole

8:37 PM

i can't change my avatar here without premium and I am NOT paying.

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the economy is super imbalanced

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the devs definitely have things to work out

it's a weird thing for me to try to tack down, not everyone is in their mind for 19 years of their life

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could chalk it up to my social apathy or something

8:43 PM

basically all the power went to my imagination instead of anywhere else lolmandarine

same and even that got fucked up

blanka

the more I think about tulpamancy the more just-one-tiny-step-off "completely fucking normal" it seems

good way of putting it. Surprisingly true in many ways!

Whenever y'all try and visualize something and hold it, does it start to warp and distort?

Yes I noticed it does that because of my adhd If i'm more focused or meditating well, it doesn't happen

no, it stays pretty consistent, i just can't hold onto an image for long at all

stays consistent for me, but if I focus on one part, others deteriorate and become less distinct/clear/detailed

kaybee

no, it stays pretty consistent, i just can't hold onto an image for long at all

yeah that's what i'm saying, when i try and hold the image for more than 5 seconds

can this be for wonderlands too

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or just tulpas

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because i found smth out thats rlly cool (edited)

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eh ill post it anyway

2:51 AM

be and emily found out you can basically do old school magic shows

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by changing the way the interact with objects

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just as havime pass thru a box

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and for emily be solid (edited)

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i found out you can basically no clip

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or you can basically infinately contort yourelf into the box

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the trick ended up going as fallow

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1 open box

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2. step in box still obviously to large to fit in

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3. ask someone to close said box (remember this is old school) and crouch in it as much as you can when you are almost no longer visible contort in box (edited)

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4. say magic works .5 open box. six you fit